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Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.16 00:20:00 - [1] Originally by: Aquila Draco Originally by: Valcerus I hate bots, it makes me feel bad knowing that all the effort I put in to make my hard earned isk has been doubled by a bot next to me. Only doubled? that's huge understatement... they make much more than that... unfortunately... and CCP doesnt care so long as theyre making their 6 mil in profits a year. As long as the botters are helping them do this, yeah you get the picture
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.18 22:42:00 - [2] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 18/02/2011 22:51:03 Yer really trying to say someone with say 20 mil SP is evenly matched vs someone starting today? Cause thats just foolish. If thats the case why to corps say a specific number of SP must be gained (IE must have 18 mil SP) before you can join the corp? If theres no difference between a 18 mil toon and a brand new one There is no "due" to be given
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.18 23:03:00 - [3] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 18/02/2011 23:09:07 Originally by: Yana Cova It sounds like you are after a game where everyone spawns, fights and dies, then spawns again, in which case I direct you to Modern Warfare - oh wait, you play and get skills there.... hrm back to counter strike for you then. Instanced level 1 shot game them reset. Really? please point out the part where I said I wanted this. Ill wait Cause if I wanted that Id play STO
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.20 20:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 20/02/2011 10:48:57 Originally by: Von Hinten Originally by: Kuronaga Got a friend who bots. He laughs, cause on the botter forums it's an ongoing joke that not a single one of them has ever gotten cracked down on. And when he get cracked down he only recieves a lol 3 day ban: That sounds like a second ban to me. 1 day = first offence; 3 day = second offence; 7 day = third offence from what I've been told. I have no reason to doubt the person who told me this as he's been botting (and probably RMT'ing) for years and freely admits it. Edit - the only way to get CCP interested in fixing this is hit them where it hurts - their corporate revenue stream. All my accounts are suspended now - same reason, "CCP condones cheating". I'm sure they don't give a sh*t anyway but I'm not paying real money for a game where the game company actively condones and benefits financially from cheating. You leave, your three accounts are replaced by 6 bots, buys more plex, CCP doesnt care
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.20 20:44:00 - [5] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 20/02/2011 20:46:07 Originally by: Ger Tomard I read it and I stick to my opinion that it all reads like slander and tears. Seriously CCP would've banned if the had a reliable evidence pool. Ger Tomard: If they found one of their own devs cheating in the game you think theyd fire him? If say he gave illegally created items that arent able to be attained in game? And do you think theyd ban the people that accepted those items knowing that the guy they were getting from them made them illegally?
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.21 00:38:00 - [6] Originally by: Sullen Skoung Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 20/02/2011 20:46:07 Originally by: Ger Tomard I read it and I stick to my opinion that it all reads like slander and tears. Seriously CCP would've banned if the had a reliable evidence pool. Ger Tomard: If they found one of their own devs cheating in the game you think theyd fire him? If say he gave illegally created items that arent able to be attained in game? And do you think theyd ban the people that accepted those items knowing that the guy they were getting from them made them illegally? Hey Ger, you havent answered my question...
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.21 06:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Sullen Skoung Originally by: Sullen Skoung Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 20/02/2011 20:46:07 Originally by: Ger Tomard I read it and I stick to my opinion that it all reads like slander and tears. Seriously CCP would've banned if the had a reliable evidence pool. Ger Tomard: If they found one of their own devs cheating in the game you think theyd fire him? If say he gave illegally created items that arent able to be attained in game? And do you think theyd ban the people that accepted those items knowing that the guy they were getting from them made them illegally? Hey Ger, you havent answered my question... Ger Tomard.... are you avoiding the question?
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.21 09:45:00 - [8] UH OH the mods are awake from their weekend long nap lol
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.21 09:48:00 - [9] this is actually kinda funny given that the reason they shut down the thread never actually HAPPENS in the thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1471390
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.21 09:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Insane Nutmunch ... Of course it would be nice for CCP to issue a statement verifying it's position on botting and detailing some of it's efforts (where possible) to eradicate or at least minimise the problem. I think they did some months ago. Do you demand weekly statements? They do... this thread. "we wish to sweep this under the rug"

Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.21 19:08:00 - [11] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 21/02/2011 19:11:03 Originally by: Othran Originally by: Ai Shun End of their game: November 2008: 250,000 subscribers December 2009: 300,000 subscribers (Over 300,000) January 2011: 340,000 subscribers Amazing what you can "prove" with statistics Current subscriber numbers are the same as they were in January 2010. They have DECREASED by around 10-15% since Summer 2010 despite the "power of two" promotion and various other "come back and get 60 days for Ç19.95" offers. As an aside if you take a look around at the influx of "power of two characters" from last promotion you'll notice a HELL OF A LOT of courier and ratting bots - low-sec heimatar (for example) is full of courier bots in bestowers, pretty much all of whom date from the last power of two promotion. CCP knows this as one group of 20+ have been petitioned 7 times now. Still there and botting though... Source is mmodata.net who get their figures from CCP. Its lowsec? KILL THEM lol Edit: If youve spent any time in this game, you should know this is pretty much CCP's reaction to any real issue. Censorship.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.21 19:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Consortium Agent So, instead of simply complaining about the problem, I suggest we take action. Hence why I wrote reportbots.com. Wouldnt it be ironic as hell if you got banned for interrupting gameplay or something stupid like that?
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.21 20:16:00 - [13] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 21/02/2011 20:17:42 Originally by: Florestan Bronstein What makes you assume that I have no general education and have to google that term? (the grammar school I did attend had a focus on classical languages) It wasnt directed at anyone it was a general statement, calm down Quote: That would be a bad outcome but it has to be accepted as a possible outcome for the threat to be credible. If you aren't ready to ruin the game, there is no incentive for CCP to fix it. Right, see, Im not THAT bothered by the issue that Im willing to leverage a game existing at all vs them wanting to fix it. They might just give it up as a lost cause (as most ppl here have noted that there might BE no fix) and focus on world of twilight.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.21 20:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Othran Don't try taking the **** about things which you have no idea about mmm? It only makes you look foolish. Dont remember trying to... I madea suggestion not claiming to be the god of all pvp. learn to read before you speak. "It only makes you look foolish"
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Miep Miep so... still no post from cpp? speaking of the bot problem -> 3 day ban botting- > 1 day ban. lol thats about it sadly
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.25 04:46:00 - [16] Originally by: freshspree The only problem I see here is if a lot of peeps start doing RMT, it's going to be bad. That aside, the best way to counter this is to remove plex entirely. This is the problem and is probably why CCP hasn't been able to do much about it. I bet CCP will lose more than half of their subscribers just by taking such actions as the botters are prolly 5% of the current population at most. The hit will come from the huge amount of players that depend on plex for game time. I'll wait and see what happens. I dunno, I think itd take more than about 15000 bots to make it so that corps can field dozens of Titans and hundreds of supercaps (given 5% of 350,000 as I remember 350k being the number of accounts last I remember looking)
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.25 07:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Kogh Ayon When you guys whining here, smart people got a script and rent a system for his new supercap. botter detected lol
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.02.26 00:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae Originally by: Nina Mercedez Integral, and essential. I'd like to see them give some people GM powers, not paid or anything, and have them go find bots, and amass solid proof. Have IA monitor them, of course. Hell, I'd volunteer, it's not like I do anything in Eve outside chatting nowadays anyway. I support this thread... but... giving GM powers to ppl that did not sign contract which say what you can do and what you cant, and how... i think... no thnx... even CCP staff can do (and did) some "illegal" things... and ppl without RL contracts with that power... that could kill the game... Yay T20
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.01 23:32:00 - [19] Originally by: CCP Adida Removed conversations and links on how to bot. It is officially more dangerous to talk about botting on the forums than it is to do it in game lol
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.05 09:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Batolemaeus Ah yes, the old "just quit the game if you don't want to adapt to mandated botting"-argument. lol "if you dont like it, quit" Such good marketting I think we tipped the balance of him talking to us again...

Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.18 00:52:00 - [21] Originally by: riverini bull.... Dude all this thread was about was to drum up interest in EVE24 so when you write your botting guide (which shows just how much it matters to you that it gets fixed) you'll have max readers.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.18 06:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Im a little surprised you don't know about this since I've made numerous threads and complaints really? surprised? like the numerous thread, complaints, reports, flags, etc etc etc etc etc etc about the FIFTY NINE PAGE THREAD topic and just soooooo much gets done
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.19 03:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Looks like there's another deal going down. http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4492/anotherrmtcustomer.jpg Prove me wrong Joker2309. Explain that contract. Bet it'll be accepted by some 1-day char shortly. Funny thing about this; I thought calling ppl out on the forums was a no-no
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.19 05:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Originally by: Sullen Skoung Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Looks like there's another deal going down. http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4492/anotherrmtcustomer.jpg Prove me wrong Joker2309. Explain that contract. Bet it'll be accepted by some 1-day char shortly. Funny thing about this; I thought calling ppl out on the forums was a no-no That would be funny. Ban me for that and let RMT'ers run wild. theyre not ALREADY running wild?
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.20 15:50:00 - [25] Skreeg, gotta ask man, Linkage where is this supposed important announcement you allude to that will satisfy us (just dont set your aims too high)
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.20 20:12:00 - [26] isnt it also a actionable offense on the forums to call people out in the game? Is it me or do the mods go home on the weekends
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.23 03:35:00 - [27] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 23/03/2011 03:38:11 Originally by: Nadarius Chrome link removed. If you wish to report someone please submit a petition - Adida it IS more dangerous to expose bots on the forums than in game lol Originally by: Consortium Agent I never said anything about similarities between the games, that's merely an assumption on your part... and a bad one. You claimed to not believe in mass exodus from a MMO, I gave you just one example (of many). One that had nothing to do with the subject. AT ALL Do you know WHY the exodus in that game appened? Im actually curious, given the argument you referenced it in.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.24 04:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Consortium Agent Any other questions? yes, what was the reason? you tried to sidestep the question, and bringing the comparison (btw, bringing SWG into an argument about EVE DOES create a comparison, wether or not you intended one sorry) into the argument makes me still wonder if you know the answer.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.27 04:03:00 - [29] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 27/03/2011 04:05:46 ok... so how do they tell the difference between botters an miners? mining and hauling is pretty damn repetitive. How is the in place software gonna tell who are botting and who are mining? I mean if I got banned for playing the game... yeah kiss this **** goodbye lol
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.27 06:06:00 - [30] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 27/03/2011 06:10:06 Originally by: Kappas Katamara Originally by: Sullen Skoung Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 27/03/2011 04:05:46 ok... so how do they tell the difference between botters an miners? mining and hauling is pretty damn repetitive. How is the in place software gonna tell who are botting and who are mining? I mean if I got banned for playing the game... yeah kiss this ** goodbye lol No. You got banned for botting. PLEASE learn to read before banging your head on the keyboard and posting. especially the part where I said "IF I GOT BANNED" Originally by:** Vincent Athena To all bot users: Stop. Botting is not welcome here. this would be true if it wasnt a 3 strike system. If youre botting and get caught once, you get a 30 day hike. twice permaban imo. Cause if you dont get the point after a 30 day vacation you arent GONNA get it. Then again, ill believe it when we start seeing the bots that have been reported for 2+ years getting permabanned. Oh by the way, is this gonna be retroactive? The bots petitioned for 2 years or so gonna get it first, or are they getting a clean slate and 3 strikes?

Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.27 10:03:00 - [31] Originally by: Othran 1) Background bot monitoring/detection software is in place - a load of people (1000 or so) who used RoidReaver got banned; source for numbers? Quote: 2) Current GM "decisions" on macroing s/w are now basically null and void. The security team will make the calls now, not random GMs. The ToS and EULA will be the final arbiter of decisions - where there's a conflict then ToS/EULA wins; so theyre doing what they should have been doing all along then? Enforcing the ToS/EULA? Hope that works better than it ever has in the past Quote: 3) No mass banning, slow burn as evidence is accumulated; 1000 IS mass, hence why I asked about your numbers above
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.27 18:31:00 - [32] Wonder how long the "slow burn" will take to have an effect, and wether the bots will replicate faster than the burn...
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.27 22:15:00 - [33] Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Let's see how many of the "devil's advocate" wannabe posters have disappeared. Yeah, its sad how many people can be appeased with honeyed words
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.28 19:30:00 - [34] Originally by: Princess Scorned the ones that are reachable by the TOS and EULA. Period. yeah, CCP has such a spotless record of punishing ppl for breaches of this. T20 anyone? Where the only person really punished was he who cannot be named on this forum.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.28 22:05:00 - [35] Originally by: Opertone i conclude. eve is dying now the gameplay is numb. The player base is numerous, yet suffers from irritation. if CCP continues with loose botting policy the population will abandon the game over the course of 1-2 years. Eve is not dead. Eve is dying. Help it recover and become happy again. Banhammer the chinese isk farmers and their farming tools. Work on the tools, not the farmers. Yeah, Im actually concerned to continue mining, afraid Im gonna get banned because I do things repetitively. How, exactly, do you NOT mine with repetitive behaviors???
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.29 00:02:00 - [36] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 29/03/2011 00:03:08 Originally by: Jack Gilligan So what was the big announcement at fanfest? I didn't see any in the news. Have we been lied to again? Theyre Working On It oh yeah, and "Slow Burn"
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.03.30 03:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Florestan Bronstein CCP already permabans on first-offense if they find out you have tinkered with the client yet the botters that do this get 3 steps of ban... yeah this makes sense
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.06 05:51:00 - [38] Originally by: Selinate Shocking. Ever been robbed by a 5'4" Caucasian man? If you did, would you view all Caucasian men of 5'4" as suspicious? Profiling is ethically wrong. Yeah, SIX YEARS of inactivity doesnt have anything to do with this at all
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.07 04:35:00 - [39] Originally by: mkint And Sreegs is acting like "oh, no big deal, because we can ban the accounts that used to have bots on them." Seems more to be "Its not that big an issue" attitude to me
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:29:00 - [40] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 07/04/2011 12:35:30 We DO have one place... here... If the trend continues, your thread will get locked, pointing to this thread to talk about it. like theyve done with every other thread talking about botting since about halfway through this thread's life. Theres a reason this thread has 130,000 replies

Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:04:00 - [41] screw the forum debate... fix the botting issue >.<
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.11 19:26:00 - [42] Originally by: Demoness Lolth ironic QQ and rant about QQing and ranting Again, shouldnt you have black skin and white hair? ---------------------------------------- Whats the forum TOS violation for saying an alliance's name?
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.13 23:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Slate Shoa (I understand that the forum issues have taken more of Sreegs' attention, which is reasonable.) The ****storm over the weekend was hoped to be making it so people would forget this problem -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.16 04:39:00 - [44] Well, when you can pay real money to buy the supercaps for your alliance, they overpower the guys that have to work for theirs -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.18 13:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Mr Kidd So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" Reminds me of PLEX -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.08.26 14:57:00 - [46] hey look!Data!! -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. This is your NGE/CU moment CCP.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.08.26 15:17:00 - [47] Originally by: Vincent Athena Two year old data. We want equivalent data for the current effort. You gotta wait two years for that -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. This is your NGE/CU moment CCP.

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